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Beings like Fairies, Deities, and Demons and hellish creatures like Hell Hounds, Cambions, and the Whore of Babylon don't go to Purgatory after they die or ae killed. Only Eve, Eve's creations and the Levanthians either go or have lived in the ethereal realm. This was confirmed in Salute to Supernatural season 6 and 7. The first salute confirmed that deities the pagans and fairies aren't of Eve's making and live in their own realms, and that Hellish beings work in the same function as Demons. Salute to Supernatural 7 stated that the Levianthans are the only then as of now that are not of Eve's creation that has to do with Purgatory.: The Twilight of Your Despair 14:28, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

How about something even more direct. This was all revealed by the show; the only creatures that go/live there are Eve, Leviathans, and her creations. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:31 PM, April 4th 2012

I saw that deities were added, and that in the history demons were to but were removed. I put this on the talk to page so people that aren't sure don't put incorrect information.: The Twilight of Your Despair 14:35, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Are Cas and Dean dead in Purgatory? or are they there body and soul?

Cas, body, as angels don't have souls, and Dean, soul. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:38 PM, May 18th 2012

Reserection[]

I'm curious, do you think if the monster leaves purgetory they come back to life, or return as a ghost? General MGD 109 (talk) 18:31, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that would depend on how they return. If God or Death resurrected one (which they wouldn't), they would be once again corporeal and living and if their spirit just escaped, they'd maybe a spirit or in tangible form. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:47 PM, August 11th 2012
Dean rescued Benny's Soul from Purgatory and had to perform a spell to reunite him with his body. Seattleite (talk) 05:22, October 18, 2014 (UTC)Seattleite, 10/17/14

Who would you say is the current boss of Purgatory?[]

I would say it is Dick right now seeing as how he just returned to Purgatory though it could be Eve.MrAnonymous (talk) 13:12, September 21, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

I have to say Eve, Dick is presumably the stronger of the two, although Eve has more powers, however another important factor is, that there are about 30-40 million monster souls in purgetory, presumably all under there "mothers" control, while Dick on the other hand, only has the four or five other Leviathans who died in the season, I mean I know Leviathans are strong, but an army of six against fourty Million? He's doomed. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:53, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

True, but Dick as a Leviathan (and now a soul) can't die. And his strength is immense, so the millions of monsters couldn't do anything but entertain him. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:55 PM, September 21st 2012
Well technically, Dick is the only dead Leviathan. The ones who had their heads cut off are not killed, they are only stopped. Auditore7 (talk) 20:24, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
True but there are still the Leviathans, such as Dr Grains he bibbed, Joyce, who George presumably ate, and the Leviathan that he devoured after failing him, they died. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:50, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Content Problems[]

I find the content of this page quite lacking, or perhaps unbalanced. Much of information on it is only featured in trivia, instead of the main body of the article. The only overview we have describes it only in a few paragraphs.

Moreover, the outline of the article is too episodic. Compare this article to Heaven and Hell, both of which have good bodies of text and only lists the episodes it appeared in, instead of going into too much detail over every episode it was featured in. Although the article on Hell also has this episodic reliance, it only features the key notes, whereas in Purgatory, even Crowley's decapitation of the Alpha Shapeshifter is noted, despite an already aforementioned statement on Crowley using his minions to locate Purgatory. Meanwhile, an important event about Lovecraft and his friends opening Purgatory, was mentioned only in passing. His reference to the Leviathan was completely missed out.

Do we also really need a detailed account on the flashbacks occuring in Purgatory? Don't the episode articles already cover them? Moreover, if the main body already covers its (1) brief history, (2) description, and (3) function, there is no need to flesh out so much details in the episodes it appeared in, especially how counting exactly how many monsters Dean, Benny and Cas already encountered.

Case in point, the flashbacks could be written in just one streamlined subcategory, and then just reference which episodes featured it.

Asking for opinions, before I start rearranging content with a more concise outline.

Content I plan to add:

  • H.P. Lovecraft's successful attempt to open Purgatory and reference to leviathans
  • the boundary to/door of purgatory, number of times it has been opened/breached and how (Dean and Benny's escape will fall under this, instead of relying on an episodic approach)
  • expounding of content on its residents (including mentions of native monsters possibly rarely, if not never seen on earth, like Dr. Visyak's race, Gorilla-Wolves, etc.)
  • expounding on the physical description of Purgatory--i.e., a seemingly endless forest, with predominantly overcast/gloomy climate, presence of notable/fixed bodies of water
  • presence of materials (to assemble bone weapons), and even on one occasion--a chain used by Dean and Benny**
  • modify inaccuracy on the dragons' instruction manual listed on Appointment in Samarra instead of Like A Virgin
  • info on Eve (i.e., how and why she was lured out is essential--she planned to create her own army to defend her realm and her children, as well as to claim all of earth's souls for purgatory; the number of times she has crossed over to earth--at least two known occasions, relationship with at least some of the leviathans while in purgatory sometime in the distant past)
  • heirarchy and organization (to be written implicitly in Eve's and the Leviathan's sections), Heaven and Hell had this section. I don't see why Purgatory shouldn't have.

If you have any additional info or differing view against some of the points I raised, please feel free to discuss them with me (especially how a **metal chain was present in Purgatory, considering it seems devoid of any industrial manufacturing). Of course, you can just add the points I raised, but I still plan to edit this page within a few days. FTWinchester (talk) 01:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the Purgatory page needs a major overall I mostly add little things such as pictures and the page has been organized by episodic for so long that I've never been up to the task of redoing the whole thing myself because it is missing so MUCH key information but I definetly agree with your points and looking forward to viewing your full overall on the page!! Bkshadows (talk)

Thanks. Seeing as I have at least one support and no counters, I will proceed with my rewrite of the page. My draft is almost finished. I still have work but I will begin my rewriting of the page in around 6 hours or so. FTWinchester (talk) 13:16, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

  • You have 2* supports ;). Go ahead, it really needs to be worked. For article's quality remember to take a look at the Wiki's featured articles, especially the ones with similar subjects. Good luck Winterz (talk) 14:13, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

8x02 Purgatory Monster?[]

Hello, all! I'm writing to ask about the monster that Dean and Benny interogated in Purgatory. Some have speculated that this was a rugaru and it's even listed on the main page as one. BUT has this been confirmed? I'd love to hear thoughts and opinions. Dean called him a mutt right before he stabbed him. Perhaps it's an unknown monster? Should this really be classified as a rugaru even if we arent 100 percent about it? Bkshadows (talk)

Um, do we really need confrimation? I mean it looks exactly like a Rugaru, isn't that enough proof that it is a Rugaru? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:15, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

hmm if u say so dude! Bkshadows (talk)

It did look like a Rugaru but it was killed when stabbed but Rugarus can only be killed by fire so its likely its not a Rugaru. Personally i think that the red eyed creature sam shoots when it has a hostage isnt a demon but is just another creature with red eyes cause demons wouldnt be scared of a regular gun. Maybe the producers just made a mistake but i dont think they did. 

Hierarchy[]

Removal of the section was not necessary. Everything written in it had canonical basis. It was written in the section that the souls are basically on the run from each other. However,

  • the leviathans showing organization is a fact--it has been shown.
  • They are also the most dangerous beasts in there--again, implicitly factual and canonical.
  • Eve literally owned all the souls in Purgatory as canonically described in Mommy Dearest.

Just because something wasn't explicitly stated doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, the hierarchy doesn't just describe the leaders, it also describes the social behavior of the monsters and compares them to that of earth (not to mention it also describes the demographics of the realm, including the monsters that aren't seen on earth).

I am going to undo this revision and include this section again, but first, I would like to hear the opinion of admins/other users, -AND/OR- the reponse of the contributor who removed it. Seriously, though. It was not as if the entire section was grasping at straws.

FTWinchester (talk) 15:55, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Don't bother, I have undone my edit and removed what was clearly speculation (i.e. "Although never stated, it is persumed Purgatory is reigned over by the strongest and oldest beings...", FTWinchester. 108.225.237.31 21:56, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia[]

I think they got that backwards with souls being able to be damaged but not destroyed. Death said, "The souls can be bludgeoned, tortured but never broken. Not even by me." Specifically he was explaining to Dean that he couldn't seperate Sam's Hell memories from his soul. We've seen souls die many times in the form of demons and it's popular opinion in some places that the same applies to ghosts when their bones are burned.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 00:03, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Where do the like Leviathans and Vampires go when they are killed in Purgatory, because they return to Purgatory when they are dead right ?RaghavD (talk) 13:50, February 21, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD

Is it possible that when monsters are killed in Purgatory they just sort of respawn in a different area of Purgatory?

Probably be left unanswered on the show. We can only speculate. If I have to pitch in my two cents, I'd say they simply cease to exist as they were already dead before coming to Purgatory.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 16:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I like to think that getting killed in Purgatory "cleanses" souls of Eve's influence so that they are able to go to Heaven. I have a similar theory for demons, where the light they give off when they get killed (by an angel's touch, the Colt, etc.) is their souls being purified so that they can go to Heaven, too.--50.89.225.132 16:52, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe. But they are monsters and not humans. So they may not ascend to Heaven.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 16:59, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

But they were humans. So if Eve's influence (for monsters)/Hell's influence (for demons) were reversed, they'd be human again and be deserving of Heaven.--50.89.225.132 17:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Could be. But will their actions be nullified. I mean they did kill, maim, torture and consume several humans right? That could ne judged against them.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 17:07, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're talking about monsters or demons. I consider demons-turned-humans completely innocent of their crimes as demons, since their souls are warped at the time they did that stuff--the supernatural version of the "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea, if you will. It's a bit more murky with monsters--depends on how much turning into a monster changes you and how much influence Eve has over them, I suppose.--50.89.225.132 17:17, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Not all monsters used to be human. Dr. Visyak was a Purgatory native. In her case, I'm not sure she could be turned into a human and sent into heaven. FTWinchester (talk) 13:04, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

(Same user here.) Good point. Well, since she wasn't human, she didn't have a soul--I assume she didn't go anywhere, just faded out of existence like angels do.--NaiflidG (talk) 13:34, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

I believe that the souls simpy respawn after being killed. This is, if the souls left Purgatory or cease to exist, them Purgatory would not have the millions of souls that it has Penhaligon (The Neverwinter Is Here) 23:24, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, as at the moment that is the sturdiest assumption we can make. Souls last forever (or as long as God wants them to), so they would literally be endlessly respawning foreeeverr. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:31 AM, November 21st 2015

The Darkness and Purgatory[]

How old is Purgatory ? Metatron said, that in order to create the world (And I seriously don't think that he refered to purgatory), The Darkness needed to be sealed away. Therefore it's more likely that purgatory was created after the universe and heaven were made. If purgatory was created after the universe, the Leviathans couldn't be older than the archangels. There was no space during that time (And creation was not possible, since the Darkness was still around), while we know that God and the archangels can just create space for oneself.Lambda1 (talk) 21:55, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

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