Hi all,

I wonder what the audience reaction to Lady Toni was like? Was she accepted or she'll disappear for good? I, for once, disliked her a lot. But not just her but the whole London chapter of the Men of Letters. They're so arrogant I can hardly watch a scene where they're in. And to top it all, (b/c of that arrogance) they don't understand their ways are wrong.

Just 1 example: Sam talking out some Special Childrens out there that they can use those abilities for good (&/or they control the abilitiy, not viceversa). I only hope Chuck &/or Amara return this season  put those excuses of people (organization) in place. The London Chapter of the Men of Letters can be the new Crusades/Inquisition (& we all know how they turned out to be). To me, they're killers just like those historical events & must be exterminated at all costs.

Sorry if that offend some of you but those are my feelings since the new season premiered. Megstiel24 (talk) 06:21, November 5, 2016 (UTC)Megstiel24

I agree with you. I wish Lucifer would wipe them out, though. He'll be extra cruel. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:38, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Mark Pellegrino Edit

Should we list Mark Pellegrino as Absent too when he doesn't appear in episodes after Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell? --Kajune (talk) 04:45, April 20, 2017 (UTC) 

Sam not dying in season 5 Edit

Actually, I'm inclined to agree with Gabriel on this one. Sam didn't die, he just went into the Cage with Luci. He was as good as dead which is why Dean mourned him so much afterwards.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:25, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

I've always thought Sam didn't die too, but a handful of sources - even from Super wiki - say he died, or at least lost his soul. It would be nice to undo all that and say Sam didn't die. Kajune (talk) 10:14, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

I read a lot that Sam did die.  By falling in the Cage, he's in Hell, which should mean he's dead, but at the same time, I don't feel like he died.Dtol (talk) 10:35, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

By saying he died by falling into The Cage, would be like saying Lucifer died twice, and Michael and Adam also died. So I really have a problem with this belief....yet other people disagree, it seems. I would love to remove Sam's fall as a death ocurrence. :/ Kajune (talk) 10:55, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

A prevalent logic in the SPN fandom seems to suggest going to a supernatural realm alive equals death. I mean, I see people saying Sam died in Swan Song, and then again when Dean and Castiel were dragged into Purgatory. By this same logic, Sam died when he went to hell in Taxi Driver (and resurrected himself just by leaving, apparently). I just don't understand where fans get this stuff.. but anyways..

There's nothing to suggest that Sam actually died. He may have been as good as dead, as Wargrowlmon said above, but he didn't die, not really. How reliable are those sources? This could be just fans jumping to conclusions.Gabriel456 (talk) 12:07, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

You can't really compare angels (let alone archangels) to Sam and Adam.  Michael and Lucifer did not die when they fell into the Cage, because angels are able to travel to other supernatural realms without dying.  I don't think Sam really died though.Dtol (talk) 13:18, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

Sam did lose his soul which was a major plot point in season 6 but that was simply Cas being unable to get it out again. Besides Dean treating Sam like he died by jumping into the Cage, nothing is ever said about him being actually dead. He's never mentioned to have been resurrected, just pulled out of the Cage soulless.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:04, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

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